we are coming from above. we have done very well with desktops and netbooks and laptops and we are getting into smaller committee keeshan devices and that is called convergence as others come up with their microprocessors, there processors and other types of communication chips so we have to lower our power management and produce different types of chips which will be difficult but we are making steady progress in that area. >> host: switching once again to the r&d tax credits we have spoken before about the importance of making that permanent to the technology industry to lessen uncertainty. we have seen a house bipartisan push again to make the credit permanent. how optimistic are you that this will be successful and can you explain what and why it is important to intel for this to be a permanent program rather than being renewed every year? >> guest: 18,000 companies benefit from the tax credit and we are probably one of the largest beneficiaries of that

tax credit because we invest so much in research, $7.3 billion a year so congressman bilbray on the house side is introduced a good bill. is a starting step to talk with democrats about making the r&d tax credit permanent, simplifying it and raising the amount of the credit. we have dropped, the r&d tax credit from first place 20 years ago to about 24th place in terms of the value of the credit. the government needs to do better. did has reenacted every other year or so. it is hard to know when it will be enacted again and so legislators on both sides of the aisle and the president recognized the value of the credit. we just need to improve the process and considering it. >> host: peter cleveland make the argument on the other side against the r&d making a permit because we have been doing the show for several years and we have our morning show the "washington journal" as well. i've never met one legislator

who is against making the r&d permanent. what is the argument on the other side? >> guest: i think the argument on the other side would be that if you extend it extended on a yearly basis only been legislators can act in their oversight capacity to determine how effective companies are using it. we use it to great effect and we have developed technologies like silicon photonics of the data travels on light beams as opposed to copper wires. legislators have an important role in the public policy process for assessing how tax revisions work and so if you make it permanent it will be hard to make it on permanent. i worked on capitol hill for 18 years. i understand when they don't make it permanent but that won't deter us from continuing to advocate for that. >> host: gautham nagesh gautham nagesh was chief of staff to senator dianne feinstein at one point in his career. do you have an ally and ways & means chairman dave camp?

>> guest: he has done a terrific job on tax issues. we know him very well. he had some interesting ideas for comprehensive tax reform. we talked to him often and will continue to do so. he is a first-rate legislator. >> host: switching topics we recently heard commerce secretary gary locke is going to beheading to china to serve as u.s. ambassador. he has served as the administrations front man in terms of speaking to the technology industry and hearing their concerns. can you talk about what you would like to see or intel would like to see from the next commerce secretary and put their priority should be? >> guest: president obama's talked about a national export strategy doubling exports. the commerce department commerce department needs to drive hard on that goal. gary locke was terrific. he was a nuts and bolts governor. he understood how to push that forward and will be a terrific envoy to china given his

background and chinese-american descent. the commerce department really needs to through its messaging and through the 70s and through its personnel spread across the country integrate well with businesses to push exports and to the four corners of the glow. there are all sorts of barriers, nontariff barriers, regulatory barriers, texas difficulties at at the pace entering foreign markets and the commerce department should be our ally in breaking down those barriers. >> guest: we have seen a lot of names u.s. trade representative ron kirk and former google ceo eric schmidt and julius genachowski. do you have any thoughts on any of the candidates are the type of person you think someone from the private sector is better or someone experience? >> guest: i think the white house gets this and that would hopefully be a selection. perhaps a ceo that has run multinational companies that knows the ins and outs of how

tough it is to generate revenue, to make a profit, to make personnel decisions. that would be a positive choice, a ceo from one of the major mencken companies. >> host: finally peter cleveland if you could describe the importance of china and india in the tech world. >> guest: they are crucial. they are the breadbasket for us going forward. our revenues are churning forward at a 13, 14, 15% rate in china in particular. we have invested there. it is a gigantic marketplace. there are problems there in terms of our ability to protect our ip, to deter the compulsory certifications, licensing the chinese require, but take no mistake, it is an incredible marketplace and we need to build a positive economic bilateral relationship with the chinese and not permit contentious

debate to overcome what is clearly the most important relationship in the world. >> host: what about india? >> guest: india is a growing marketplace, enormous number of people not as lucrative or not as much of a buying marketplace as china but developing into a powerhouse and we have substantial numbers of people there. so it is different in china but quite promising as well. >> host: peter cleveland is vice president of intel and gautham nagesh with "the hill" newspaper, thank you both.

today president obama awarded the medal of honor tutu army private killed during the korean war. abysses half an hour. ♪

>> ladies and gentlemen, the president of the united states and mrs. michelle obama. ♪ ♪ >> please join me in prayer. almighty and loving god we ask your blessings upon the ceremony as we gather to commemorate the noble lives and sacrifices of two of our nation's precious sons, private first class anthony kaho'ohanohano and henry svehla. so stirred by news of the past 24 hours, we pause in these moments to remember they are roa

combat actions taken by these two soldiers on the korean peninsula some 60 years ago. both anthony and henry responded fearlessly against an enemy onslaught and save the lives of their fellow soldiers. they lead from the front and loved beyond measure, portraying the ultimate act of selfless service. god remind us again today that our nation has risen to greatness on the shoulders of americans like anthony and henry. may the ceremony served to reinforce our awareness as a nation that our country's way of life and our freedom is a priceless inheritance, wind through the commitment and sacrifice of those who have selflessly paid for our freedom with their blood. me your blessings be upon the families of henry and anthony duet given their love to this nation and kept their memories alive for this very moment. by your grace, may we never forget their sacrifice in your holy name, amen.

>> good morning everybody. please be seated. on behalf of michelle and myself, welcome to the white house, to our many guests from hawaii, aloha. and thank you chaplain for that wonderful invocation. i think we can all agree that this is a good day for america. our country has kept its commitment to see that justice is done. the world is safer and a better place to visit the deaths of osama bin laden. today, we are reminded that as a nation, there is nothing we can't do. when we put our shoulders to the wheel, when we worked together, when we remember the sense of

unity that defines us as americans. and we have seen that spirit, that patriotism and the crowds that have gathered here outside the white house at ground zero in new york and across the country, people holding camels camels -- candles and singing the national anthem. people proud to live in the united states of america. and we are reminded we are fortunate to have americans dedicate their lives to protecting ours. they volunteer, they train and they endure separation from their families. they take extraordinary risks so that we can be safe. they get the job done. we may not always know their names. we may not always know their stories. but, they are there every day on the frontlines of freedom and we

are truly blessed. i do want to acknowledge before we begin the ceremony to individuals who have an critical as part of my team here today. first of all, i think someone who will go down as one of the finest secretary of defense in our history, secretary bob gaetz who is here. [applause] sitting beside him, someone who served with incredible valor on behalf of this country and is now someone who i think will go down as one of the greatest secretaries of veterans affairs in our history, eric shinseki. [applause]

now, i have to say that as commander in chief, i could not be prouder of our men and women in uniform. that is true now in today's wars it has been drew in all of our wars and it is why we are here today. along the goal a poet wrote of the sacrifice of young soldiers in war. they shall not grow old as we that are left grow old. age shall not weary them nor the years condemn. at the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. today, we are joined by two american families who six

decades ago gave our nation one of their own. private first class henry svehla and private first class anthony kaho'ohanohano. they did not roll old. these two soldiers may be a ultimate sacrifice when they were just 19 and 21 years old. age did not weary them in the hearts of their families. they remain forever young, loving sons, protective brothers, hometown kids who stood tall in america's hometown. in america's uniform. today we remember them and we honor them with the highest military decoration that our nation can bestow, the medal of honor. in doing so we also honor their families who are reminding us that it is our extraordinary military families who also bear the heavy burden of war.

we are joined by members of congress who are here. we are very grateful for you. we are also joined by leaders from the army and armed forces. including chairman of the joint chiefs of staff admiral mike mullen and the vice chairman general jim haas cartwright. there they are right there. [applause] this is not in the script but let me just acknowledge that without the leadership of bob gates, mike mullen, haas cartwright today and yesterday would not have happened and their steadiness and leadership has been extraordinary. i could not be prouder of them and i'm so grateful that they have been part of our team. [applause]

i especially want to welcome some of those who fought so greatly 60 years ago, our korean veterans, korean war veterans who have made the trip here and i also want to acknowledge those who are welcoming to more american heroes into the ranks, members of the medal of honor society. thank you so much for your services. [applause] this past november i paid a visit to south korea that has coincided with the 60th anniversary of the start of the korean war as well as november 11, veterans day. i was privileged to spend part of the day with our troops and with dozens of veterans of the

korean war. members of a generation to in the words of their memorial memorial here in washington, fought for a country they never knew and the people they never met. it was a generation that included private first class anthony kaho'ohanohano. tony grew up in hawaii, in maui. he learned early that we have a duty to others from his father a dedicated police officer and his mother who devoted herself to their nine children. tony was a tall guy. he loved hawaii, swimming in the ocean, playing basketball. he sounds like my kind of guy. [laughter] his siblings remember him as the big brother, quiet but strong. who took care of them, stood up for them in the neighborhood and would treat them to ice cream.

tony's loyalty to family was matched by his love of country. even though hawaii wasn't even a state yet. by september of 1951 the korean war had been raging for more than a year and tony was part of the 17th infantry regiment. seventh infantry division which had been fighting for you teach it hills that could shape the course of the war. his squad was near a village called chu breed when they came under ferocious attack. the enemy advancing with its men outnumbered, tony made a decision. he ordered his squad to fall back and seek cover and then tony did something else. he stayed behind, machine gun in hand, he laid down fire servicemen could get to safety. he was one american soldier alone against this approaching army. tony was wounded in this

shoulder and he fought on. k-8 grenade after grenade. when his weapon ran out of ammunition, he grabbed another and when he ran out of ammo, he reached for the only thing left, a shovel. that is when they enemy overran his position and in those final moments the combat was hand-in-hand. it was that are avery, that courage of the single soldier that inspired his men to regroup, to rally and to drive the enemy back and when they finally reached tony's physician the measure of his valor became clear. after firing so many bullets with darryl and his machine gun was literally bent but tony had stood his ground. he had saved the lives of his men. after his death tony was awarded the army's second highest award for valor, the distinguished service cross. his family felt he deserved more and so did senator and world war

ii vet danny akaka. we are honored that senator akaka has joined us as well as mazie hirono and obviously we are extraordinarily grateful that we are joined by another senator, and a medal of honor recipient, dan inouye. thank you so much for your presence. [applause] now, hawaii is a small state, but the kaho'ohanohano's are a very big family. in fact i went to high school with one of their cousins. till i said how's it? [laughter] this is a remarkable family.

service defines them. tony's father and all six sons served in the military. another member the family has served in afghanistan. nearly 30 members of the family of travel from hawaii to be here including tony's sister, elaine and brother eugene, for the sacrifice your family endured for the service your family has rendered. thank you so much. i would ask that you all join me in welcoming tony's nephew george who worked for so many years to get his uncle the honored that he deserved. george. [applause]

>> the president of the united states of america authorized by act of congress march 3, 1863 has afforded in the name of congress the medal of honor to private first class anthony t. kaho'ohanohano, united states army for conspicuous gallantry at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty. private first class anthony kaho'ohanohano, company h seventh infantry division distinguished himself by extraordinary heroism in action against enemy in the vicinity of korea on one september, 1951. on that day, private first class kaho'ohanohano was in charge of machine gun squads supporting defensive positioning of company f. macklin a numerically

superior enemy force lost a fierce attack. because of the enemy's overwhelming numbers friendly troops are forced to execute a limited withdrawal. as the men felt that private first class kaho'ohanohano ordered his squad to take up more defensible positions and provide covering fire for the withdrawing friendly force. although having been wounded in the shoulder during the initial enemy assault private first class kaho'ohanohano gathered a supply of grenades and ammunition and return to his original position to face the enemy along. at the hostile troops concentrated their strength against its placement in an effort to overrun him to private first class kaho'ohanohano fought fiercely and courageously accurate fire into the ranks of the onrushing enemy. when his ammunition was depleted, he and gauged the enemy and hand-to-hand combat until he was killed. private first class kaho'ohanohano her road stand so inspired his comrades that they

launched a counterattack that completely repulsed the enemy. upon reaching private first class kaho'ohanohano placement friendly troops discovered 11 enemy soldiers lying dead in front of the in placement and tube inside, killed and hand-to-hand combat. private first class kaho'ohanohano's extraordinary heroin and selfless devotion are in keeping with the finest can can -- and reflects great credit upon himself the seventh infantry division and the united states army. [applause] [applause]

[applause] >> about the time that tony was inspiring his men, another young soldier was joining up with the seventh infantry division in korea, private first class henry svehla. he grew up in new jersey. he loved fishing on the jersey shore. he was one of six kids and the youngest son, but the one who seemed to take care of everybody else. his sister dorothy remembers how their mom would be in the kitchen at the end of a long day trying to cook dinner for six kids. henry, a teenager, would walk in and grab his mother's hand and dance around the kitchen. if anybody needed him, said

dorothy, henry was there. he was there for america. in korea as the war neared its third and final year. henry knew the dangers and in one of his last letters home he wrote, i may not return. that june of 1952, the heat was unbearable. the monsoon rains the mosquitoes were relentless, but the seventh infantry division pushed on probing enemy lines, fighting hunger by bunker, hill by hill. and as henry and his company near the top of one hill, the rocky slopes seems to explode with enemy fire. his unit started to falter and that is when henry made his move. he stood up, he looked ahead and he charged forward into a hail of bullets. those who were there described how he kept firing his weapon, kept hurling grenades and how

even after being wounded in the face, he refused medical attention and kept leading the charge. that is when an enemy landed upon his -- every human instincd tell a person to turn away, but at that critical moment, henry subor did the opposite. he threw himself on that her name and with his sacrifice he saved the lives of his fellow soldiers. henries body has never been recovered. it is a wound in the heart of his family that has never been fully healed. it is also a reminder that as a nation we must never forget those who did not come home or are missing in action or were taken prisoner of war. we must never stop trying to bring them back to their families. henry was awarded the distinguished service cross but

his family believed he had turned this nation's highest military honor. .. nearly 60 years you have lived. the going down of the sun in the morning we will remember them. and so i want to conclude today by inviting everyone to join me

in welcoming henry's sister dorothy to the stage for the presentation. [applause] [applause] >> the president of the united states authorized by act of congress march 3rd, 1863, has awarded in the name of congress the medal of honor to private first class henry united states army for conspicuous gallantry at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty. he distinguished himself by acts of gallantry and intrepidity above and beyond the call of duty while serving as a rifleman with the 32nd infantry regiment,

second infantry division in connection with combat operations against an armed enemy in korea on the 12th of june, 1952. that afternoon, while private fs they were subjected to intense enemy automatic weapons and small arms fire at the top of the hill. coming under heavy fire platoon's attacked again to falter. realizing the success of mission and safety of the remaining troops were in peril, private first class svehla left to his feet and charged the enemy position firing his weapon and throwing grenades at the advanced. in the face of the courage and determination the platoon rallied to attack with renewed vigor. private first class svehla utterly disregarding his own safety destroyed enemy positions and inflicted heavy casualties when suddenly fragments from a mortar round exploded nearby seriously wounded him in the face. despite his wounds, private first class [inaudible shouting]

refused medical treatment and continued to lead the attack. when an enemy grenade landed among the group of his comrades, private first class svehla without hesitation and unaware of extreme danger threw herself upon the grenade. during this action private first class svehla was wounded. private first class b8 extraordinary heroism and selflessness of the cost of his own life above and beyond the call of duty in keeping with the high traditions of the military service and reflect great credit upon himself, his unit and the united states army. [applause]

[applause] >> let's give both families a round of applause for anthony and for henry. [applause] fax [applause] please join me in prayer. you distort our hearts today in the account of to greet soldiers who valued the lives of those under their care more than their very own.

you told us in the holy scriptures no greater love than this, and so would you etch this internal truth and to our own heart as we carry out our responsibility to you, our families and a great nation. bless the young men and women of our armed services who walked in the footsteps of both anthony in henry protecting and defending our lives and freedoms cost and lord continue to bless and give great wisdom to the president, barack obama as he leads the nation in these challenging times. god bless america in your wholley name we pray, amen. >> thank you so much, everyone. please, enjoy the reception and again, to the families, we couldn't be more proud of anthony and henry. we are grateful for their sacrifice. we are grateful for your sacrifice. you have made this country safer, tony and henry stand as a model of courage and patriotism.

god bless you. god bless the united states of america. thank you. [applause] ♪ [inaudible conversations] ♪ [inaudible conversations]

♪ [inaudible conversations] al qaeda as leader and symbol and has continued

mick intelligence committee mike rogers says in early january he was first briefed on the mission targeting osama bin laden. he also told reporters that intelligence gathering for the mission dates back to the bush administration. this is a little less than half an hour. [inaudible conversations] >> thank you for coming this afternoon. we appreciate it. this is a great day for america. one down, to to go. we have i think a lot to be thankful for today. given our intelligence services

long-term efforts to find and/

i was briefed on this as taking the chairmanship back in early january, and there was a very small number of people, purposefully so, who got to see all of the pieces put in one place. so there's even elements of the intelligence committee that didn't really know that they are working towards this final goal. and at the very end of it, the most dangerous part i would suspect, when the announced the special forces that they were going to go on a particular mission to get ready to go and told them of their target apparently there was a loud and thunderous cheer, which tells you the quality and commitment and courage of our special forces that they were excited at the prospect of bringing justice to the person who masterminded the slaughter of 3,000 innocent americans on u.s. soil. so that was i think a very, very, very indicative - place for us to go when it comes to

the appreciation of all the intelligence services and was happening. i want to, before we get to the questions, just dispel the myth that because it took so long for us to get here that this is somehow an intelligence failure. i think today is certainly the wrong day to even see that. but when you look at how the travel towards this target in absolute inches and how long it took them to beat who was a very good operational security i think this clearly demonstrates the new intelligence community after 9/11 and their ability to find and reach out anywhere in the world and since there are people who threaten the united states. with that i want to open up to any questions you may have. >> can you elaborate what you were told on the brakes on the operation? >> we were made aware by generally january of the compound, with the believe that

time there were certainly good indications that it was osama bin laden but they didn't have enough and i agreed we didn't have enough. but over time the cat building the case and they clearly knew that someone important was using this facility in the further activities around the world. they just were not sure what the target was, and of course going through the process of with the difficulty of getting to the target was a whole nother set of conversations that we have in the months that preceded the briefing. >> how do you characterize the united states relationship with pakistan? as it was set in the past 12 hours about we couldn't have done this without pakistan's cooperation people say there are the two sectors of the isi and others work cross purposes. how do you see this helping and what is the relationship with pakistan and the intelligence?

>> liaison partnerships are always -- the are never all in the proposition. you find it and in the country you find it, and the isi and the government of pakistan have been helpful to the united states when it comes to counterterrorism actions and investigations. clearly that is so. there's been lots of places questions have been raised and i can guarantee there will be questions raised about this particular case as well but in a way that continues to lie or to put pressure on the pakistanis to always do the right thing. it's difficult, they have internal politics that may not always sell as well as our duty to our ability to help so we have to work through those issues to continue the relationship again, doesn't mean hard questions don't get asked what it means we have to continue to try to find that relationship. >> do you think that the united states is in favor of bin laden

out of the picture and what are your concerns now going forward? >> anytime you can take an operational leader or inspirational leader, which i argued he was both come off the battlefield, it is a great day for our national security. the benefit of osama bin laden is somebody the was the mastermind of slaughtering 3,000 people brought to justice today, and i think you can see the line 11 family's reaction and the people showing up at the white house and the -- in new york city, how important they believe that was and on the believe it was. and think of the psychological and talked to the al qaeda operative's everywhere that the united states will be patient. we will be diligent, and we will reach out and touch you where we find you if you are risking the lives of our united states citizens or allies. >> were you told -- when were

you told the mission was going to be -- the president ordered the mission? >> it was a gang of eight briefing. it didn't happen at the same time. i happened to be on other business and was -- >> [inaudible] >> no, the cia. and again, they wanted to keep this as close as they possibly could, given that any release of the information, knowing the operational security would jeopardize and could accelerate his packing up and leaving. >> when were you told about the mission again? >> i've been talking to mr. leon panetta over the months and of the weekend so we knew when the president authorized it and we had some discussions that it was likely to happen and then got the call after it happened. >> where know where you -- >> officials say the first strand that led to the killing of a summit in london, the information came from secret over prison prisons the cia developed. do you feel that the confirmation of the programs were in fact successful and

should they come back into the national intelligence in thewñ7ñ u.s.? >> the u.s. policy is to follow wall interrogations'. i completely support that. as an old fbi agent and support have come as an american citizen, i support that. i do believe that it is a great example of how important interrogations' are, wherever they happen. and having a consistent interrogation policy is crucial. and again, some are due to wasn't a smoking gun that can have any interrogations' in the last ten years. but pieces of information were able to be gleaned from interrogations' that were put together with all of the other sources of intelligence to get us to osama bin laden. and along the way, by the way, to other pretty bad people that were justice has been needed. >> where exactly were you when you found out they did in fact it osama bin laden? and where were you doing? >> i received a phone call, it was the weekend so i received a phone call.

i was traveling on an intelligence trip, and when i received -- in the united states received a call. we talked saturday and then we talked again on sunday as well. >> there were some reports that there were computer hard drives recovered from the site. is there any indication that there was an intelligence trove and i also wonder you said earlier you thought that he would emerge as the next leader. are you confident in that and it's not going to be like anwar al-awlaki or someone else? >> on the first part, in any criminal scene there is evidence, and our folks were very good about collecting evidence that they found on the scene, and i'm sure that hopefully that information -- it is being analyzed, will be analyzed and hopefully we will have good news when we move forward on that what that means. on al-zawahiri it is very likely because he's the next inspirational leader that has

the greatest scope and understanding of the operation, and it's likely to be him. al-awlaki is an important player but not the senior player in the al qaeda operation worldwide. that's why my speculation would be al-zawahiri. al-aulaqi is incredibly dangerous and points to the very, very important that we stay vigilant on this and that yemen is an important trend for us on the war on terror that we are watching closely. estimate is it true the informants were offered $20 million on this and were they paid? >> i think that has been misrepresented. there were, you know, the old wanted poster put up, $25 million for information leading to the arrest of osama bin laden had been out there on the street from long time and i think there's some confusion. there was no direct money offered other than there have been these rewards that have been posted for some time on if

you provided information that you could get to osama bin laden or other certain members of al qaeda you would be paid by the united states this new determination this done or tied in to any reward. >> i was wondering about releasing the photographs of bin laden. >> it appears going to be a lot of talk about it. i think that over liaison partners will have the opportunity to view those photos and it's something we will have to work through. i don't think the answer has been determined quite yet. we want to make sure that we maintain dignity if there was any on osama bin laden so that we don't enflame problems in other places of the world and still provide enough evidence people are confident that it was osama bin laden. >> you said we have to work through things with pakistan. as it turns out there intelligence agency knew that bin laden was there and had

known for some time do you favor the continuing intelligence relationship with them and i would also like to know about the u.s. aid to pakistan which has been the billions of dollars. a lot of that was military aid. has been military aid. >> again i don't want to speculate if they did or they did not. we are going to ask those questions. americans have the right to know that. i would like to know what the new. but at the same time, we have to equities we have in pakistan así it relates to our nationalo

there has been some speculation in the past about the release of information to that guide us through their isi all of those remain in detention for the united states and pakistan we open and orderly through it, doesn't mean we aren't going to ask hard questions. >> what do you make of the obama administration continued assertion that the bush administration took the ball off of osama bin laden by going into iraq and then only coming back into afghanistan and pakistan that they actually called bin laden, and actually when was the decision made to put this to you? was that a bush administration plan or -- >> welcome a first of all, the information stored on this for years ago was clearly in the bush and administration. i don't draw the nexus between going into afghanistan and iraq and not being able to get bin laden. the reason we had such difficulty is because it is operational security.

the way that he conducted himself and operated. think about this million dollar compound which is outlandish by that region of pakistan that was built to repel any operation just as it happens, no internet connectivity. they would use cutouts meaning they would have people who met people they didn't know to deliver a message to another person they didn't know and eventually worked their way back to osama bin laden. it is a very tricky business indeed, and we don't get to walk around every place we want in the world knocking on doors, during an fbi style investigation about where is somebody. and so that is the challenge, and that's why i feel we shouldn't -- people who want to find clean today i think are misplaced in the sense that when you look at the incredible undertaking of the analysts, of the operators, the case officers in the cia, the folks at the nsa that got little snippets, little

tidbits and put it all in one place and started drawing of a news this was an incredible operation that i argue few countries in the world if any could do. >> [inaudible] >> i believe it was prudent to do it. given a proper burial. it removes any thought the toward the the shrine to osama bin laden or grave robbing or any other lasting impact for his death, and again, to was the best done to lessen the impact for those who want to make it more -- mechem more than he was. yes, sir? >> the national security and foreign affairs discussion on capitol hill, any change in the people calling for troops out of a afghanistan seems initially in golden. how do you expect things will shift? >> well, i get a little confused when they say they want troops pulled out of afghanistan because we are pursuing al qaeda in other parts of the world,

when the taliban is the one that's fighting us right now call and they are the ones that gave safe haven to al qaeda to operate and planned the 9/11 attacks in afghanistan. and i think we have to be very careful not to find these national security issues that have been either for the positive for the negatives to define all the other things that we have to do. clearly this demonstrates that this is a global war on terrorism. and each place will require different operations, different planning, different intelligence techniques, different military operation techniques. right now, we are in afghanistan. the spring offensive is so critically important that we need the taliban back. do not fight the same way we do, know what your military does. the rest of in the winter. so it's just hard to get anywhere in afghanistan and the winter. this is the spring offensive. it's a cultural fighting force if you will that's been going on for hundreds and hundreds of

years. now is the time that we win the fight, so for anyone to try to mix up this success with what i think will be a success in the spring offensive against the taliban spring offensive and our offensive against the taliban in afghanistan in the spring is i think making a serious mistake and jeopardize is the long-term health of our entire national security picture. >> what osama bin laden does, the justice in any way allow the intelligence committee to move on to things or shift resources in places they could or should be focusing on now this has been over? >> sure. and remember, while this was happening, lots of other things were happening.o

the way that we defeat in organized crime in america or at least put them back on their heels it was by the continued operations that took up the seniors mark leadership and making a rash decisions any time they make fresh decisions that an opportunity for us to be successful against what you're trying to do so again all of these things play at the same time. it just means great victory and is in the fantastic message to our allies and our friends and enemies that we are absolutely committed to the scene because the list and are still working on that. >> have you been briefed on any intelligence information related to the recovery strikes in the sense that might be coming as a result? what are your concerns about that and then if you could talk about the detainees that led to the information about the networks, what do you understand about that, where were they held? >> on the retaliation, these operations, one of the things that made al qaeda successful

and sustained as long as they have is that how they planned an offering. so, operations you see engaged at any time in the past took months. some cases years, the same with my 11. it's very unlikely you'll see the decision to reach out for a terrorist act. however, that doesn't mean there haven't been operations that have been ongoing that could come to completion and then and operational phase in the day. we know they are planning in multiple places around the world including the leadership in the tribal areas of pakistan for terrorist attacks. that, we know. so that part is ongoing. and the second part of your question? >> [inaudible] >> of the detainees, the information for years ago? >> well, i can't comment exactly where they were held in any of

those cases that we have been conducting i would argue less than we need to now but more so than lots of interrogations' of our intelligence community has the ability to look somebody in the eye and ask hard questions. i did contribute to the information that ultimately led to osama bin laden being brought to justice. >> i knew you touched on it just briefly but senator levin earlier today said while he shares your view that the questions have been to with the pakistani intelligence community and he was heartened by statements coming from pakistan do you share that and what is your calculation of the relationship going forward? >> you don't see pakistan issuing the condemnation letters. the new very clearly that this was made clear the bush administration on you recall being my first year on this intelligence committee helping deliver messages to the

pakistanis about how serious we put this issue and terrorists might be provided safe haven or planning operations from their soil and if we got to that right level of certainty we were going to do something about it so this isn't something that came completely out of the blue for our pakistani friends if you will including the isi and the government, so they have internal politics and i think the diplomatic case was a great example of that the politics was trying to fight the release of the diplomat in paris zardari and had nothing to do at some point with the united states. the should be treated harshly. you can't enter the international country rule of law by violating the basic principal of diplomatic immunity and we have been harsh, at the end of the day of the fact they haven't come out on this in the

way that they have with others i think is a good sign. again, it doesn't mean that we aren't going to ask a lot of questions, but the use of internal challenges as well. part of the isi in the tribal areas we have different loyalties than the isi and other places but we are working through all of those issues and need to put pressure on them to do the right thing. >> have you been briefed on the dna testing that gave the positive confirmation of the body and the origin and the samples that were used. there's a report that came [inaudible] died in a hospital in boston. have you been briefed on that and -- >> speed i will say this i would give all the detail but the dna samples were -- it wasn't single sourced. there's lots of places that his dna could have been captured through relatives or other means. so there was -- this is a david

has been planned for for a very long time, and one of the things that was important was to make sure that it was absolutely him. i think through the dna testing and other things it is clear beyond the shadow of a doubt that this was osama bin laden based on the science and the way they conducted themselves following the raid. >> to more questions, please. some of the in the back. >> mr. rogers, could you comment on what you think this is in terms of the president's standing leader in the national security? he's been criticized by leading from behind in an uncertain circumstance. >> today is a day that we should absolutely celebrity intelligence services operations coming together, our special elite soldiers and folks that went to the raid and relieve the president should get kudos for authorizing the raid to go in

and take care of osama bin laden. that's a good thing and it's a good thing for the country as it should be. i thought it was a good thing for our standing internationally on our national security front. that being said, there's a lot of issues we are going to have to have conversations about to make sure the nation's nationals to the interests are met, and i don't believe the president will do this, but you don't want to use this as your -- if this is your national security policy, we are in a lot of trouble. and so, it's this and then its follow-up and making sure our allies overseas know who we are and the kind of decisions we will make when we get in trouble. we have some work on the second part and we are going to continue to work with the administration to that america's national security posture puts us in the best position to keep america safe. last question, yes. >> some of the president's critics question the timing of this and i wonder as the chairman of the house intelligence committee and the

majority if you could say anything there would either put those to rest or would support that? >> as somebody who has been involved in this at least since i've been the chairman of the committee, as good as they are on operational security, you have to take advantage when you can to increase the likelihood of success. i believe this decision was made air to increase the likelihood that would be successful and we would get osama bin laden. there are so many other places we might be able to find to disagree with the president. today shouldn't be one of them to read this is a well planned and executed. the bush administration deserves credit for where they got these investigations if you will. obama administration deserves credit for pulling along and actually giving the order to go ahead and do it and it wasn't without risk. i think there's plenty of other

places we ought to be asking for challenging questions. to meet this wasn't one of them. thank you. i appreciate it. >> [inaudible conversations]

more now on the death of osama bin laden. we will show you as much of this washington journal segment as we can until other live coverage of the election results today in canada. that is in a little more than half an hour at 10:00 eastern. >> we are joined right now. the table by michael slater, the

former cia bin laden unit chief from 1969 -- 96, excuse me, 199 to 1999 and then served as an adviser to that unit from after the 2011 september 11 attacksem1 and 2004. the need begin with yourt reaction when you heard the news. guest: i was delighted. he was a direct threat to the united states. a very were the enemy with a said. this meant defied the united states for 16 years -- a very were the enemy. -- a worthy enemy. host: what do you think the state will be looking for? guest: the agency will be looking at the immediate right reaction. there have been some public statements pledging revenge.

we also face the problem at 9/11, they now have good organizations in yemen, somalia, and iraq, and in north africa. this is a much bigger problem than it was backed 9/11 -- at 9/11. they will be looking at individual muslims who are anchored by this action and will try to take revenge against american tourists or businessmen or ex-patriots. host: what are your concerns? guest: most of that americans do not give the idea that this is over. it is important -- i don't mean to the great we have done. this is more than a one-man problem. the president and mr. bush always say we're not at war with

islam, there is a significant part of the islamic world that is at war with us and that will continue and probably be reinvigorated by the death of osama bin laden. host: who could replace osama bin laden? guest: initially, his deputy, al-zawahiri. i do not think al-zawahiri will be the permanent commander. he is an abrasive man in the stock get away with the saudis very well. the talk about a libyan who has been a prominent -- prominent in the religious discussions of al qaeda. the al qaeda command in the european peninsula is a very senior person, former secretary to osama bin laden. those are two candidates. al qaeda puts an enormous amount of time in planning succession. this is not something they

wanted to happen, but it is something that will prepare for for a long time. host: how do we know that? guest: bin laden has said this will be a generational war. we have seen them -- we killed a number twos and number threes all over the world. this sometimes try to rub our nose in front of them by putting their circling -- curriculum on the internet. they do plan for succession. host: what do we know about how he was killed? guest: it appears he was killed in a firefight. it was a c.i.a.-led operation. they gave him a chance to surrender. he refused and was shot and killed. he died exactly the way he wanted to. he preferred death to capture.

much of the muslim world will see him as a holy warrior who died in fighting in got past path -- god's path. host: why the burial at sea? guest: if they buried him at land, it might have been seen as a shrine. they are opposed to that. i think to be on the safe side, they buried him at sea. host: you with the former unit chief of the bin laden unit at the cia. he started it -- you started it. why? guest: we could not go after hezbollah because so much of the money was in religious

institutions. the white house did not want to go after them. we went after osama bin laden the cost after the war with the soviets, in his name and began to turn up all over the world. in yemen, in chechnya, in east pakistan, and east africa. not that he was in command of all those places, but he had provided money, training, false documents, rhetoric on tape that was used. and so we set up a unit to decide whether or not he was indeed a threat or just another saudi spendthrift. it turns out he was a very hands-on military commander. host: what kind of reaction did you get from your superiors when you did this? guest: the request came down from the white house to go after

bin laden or al qaeda. when they decided on al qaeda, i was directed to form the unit. the order came from above. we set up in late 1995 and had some extraordinary successes. some of my officers were extraordinary performers. they gave mr. clinton 10 different chance it to kill them between may of 1998 and may of 1999. i have lived in fear that the would-be broker justice in the sense that, when you do not do something when you have the opportunity, it does not always come around again. host: juneau like president clinton did not except that -- do you know why president clinton did not accept that? guest: the prince's father was

about to buy aircraft. the white house decided it was more important to sell those planes than it was to kill osama bin laden, even with a couple of dead princess. there were afraid the agency would be accused of the assassination. there were always afraid of the media. the europeans would think we were cowboys. mr. bush acted the same way in many instances. host: why did it take so long? guest: the decision to put the light footprints into afghanistan by mr. rumsfeld. afghanistan has the highest mountains in the earth. we have 100,000 troops in afghanistan. one in three or shooters. they're supposed to keep mr. karzai in power and rebuild the

economy, build a transportation and communications infrastructure from scratch, defeat the taliban, and in his spare time, go after bin laden. host: let's go to phone calls. stephen in college park, maryland. caller: there is one sensible, just, -- they should have desecrates his remains. feed it to -- a pig farm lagoon to show the followers would means -- and who is the boss. we're not doing that. it is unfortunate. host: that is your opinion. what about stoking the fire? this is what's osama bin laden -- this is what osama bin laden wanted. guest: to desecrate the body

would have made us feel good, but it would have invoked great anger in the muslim world. host: lancaster, california. tony, you are next. caller: i have a question for those who question the burial at sea. where do they think you want -- he should have been buried? in the united states? host: that was part of a report that said it would have been difficult in finding a country to except his remains. guest: the saudis would not taken back. i thought it was an unusual decision to bury him at csea. as i think about it, i think now it was a good idea. now people will say, they buried

him at sea and he really is not dead. host: the suspect there will be pictures coming forward? guest: i think they may have to release pictures to satisfy people in the united states. i don't think it's a good idea. a lot depends on how he looks, in a sense. when a man dies, if he looks composed and calm in his death, it is a tradition in the muslim world that he was truly fighting in god's way. if he is shot and messed up, maybe it would be good to use the pictures because it might be not seen as fighting in god's way. it does not advance the game at all.

it kind of satisfies a lot of people to see the actual evidence. host: let's go next to mississippi. good morning. caller: am i on? you are doing a great job, greta. to the lady who dressed you down this morning, i do not agree with her at all. i thank god for c-span. i am an avid viewer of c-span. i have been up all night, have not slept a wink. i am glad he is gone. he can no longer be a threat. i don't think the story is over. i think there probably will be retaliation from his people. but i just want to commend the special forces and our president for a job well done.

host: we heard from a phone call this morning, we talk to chairman joseph lieberman and we talk to a former cia director, general hayden about the special ops team that wins in. guest: there were officers that went in and landed on top of the building. they cornered osama bin laden and several other people. his adult son. nobody wanted to surrender. they all ended up dead. it strikes me given the time in which it took to develop this operation that the seals probably work very well practiced and it did appear to quaff as clockwork. host: what do you make -- one newspaper said leon panetta and others watched it in real time from the cia. guest: that would not be surprising given cameras and

other things. we watch things live on the ground in afghanistan from the creditors. -- creditors -- predators. host: next to philadelphia. you are on the air. caller: i think it is strange that they have not showed the body. it is cut the thing that gets reelected. i did not see how all the sudden -- this happens when people want to see his birth certificate -- it is like a smokescreen. host: who was osama bin laden? guest: 1 of 54 children of wealthy saudi contractor. they remain the sort of -- of the middle east. he grew up in the religious manner, one of the many brothers

who did not go to school outside saudi arabia. he was educated in religion but also economics and management. he worked first father's company as first a laborer and an informant and a construction engineer. he specialized in talk construction and the construction of mosques and other buildings. he fought against the soviets and remained there most of the next decade. and came to sadudan back to afghanistan and has been there ever since. host: what we know about his wealth? guest: his own wealth was limited to about $40 million from his share of the family fortune. he probably still was receiving his annual share of the fortune over the past 16, 18 years. he drew money from many

sources, some from the taliban, some from moscow contributions. -- mosque contributions. men who solicited contributions from new jihad been in the 19 80's continue to support him. there would always be a surge after he attacked the united states -- men who solicited contributions from the mujahedin. host: he is a prolific fundraisers. guest: terrifically prolific. after he attacked the united states, that flow of the nations began to come back to him. host: what were the efforts to freeze his assets? guest: we try to freeze his assets that were in western banks. outside of that, we cannot do much about that. we froze very little of this money over time.

host: this statement was put out by george bush. there is a quotation in "the washington post." "the fight against terror goes on." host: florida, brenda, your next. -- you're next. caller: i just have a question. i grew up near emmett till airforce base all my life. mcdill air force base. would be a terrorist target? guest: everything in the united states, what our military facility or civilian facility,

has to be considered a target. being one place rather than another is not much of a safety measure. i don't think they will be going up against a hard targets anytime soon, like a u.s. military base. they are more likely to go after a civilian facility or perhaps assassinating someone. host: joe from indiana, you are next. caller: i am not sure if this is how i feel when i see people celebrate industry, like in washington and new york and boston. it almost reminds me when the terrorists in the countries that hit us are out in the streets during our flags. maybe i'm looking at it different. i think this could be feeling fire for future terrorism. i don't know, maybe i am looking at this wrong. guest: i think you're exactly correct is a natural reaction to be out and cheering. i think it will be interpreted

by the enemy as unnecessary. at the end of the day, that is just the way it is. i don't think we should have tried to prevent people from celebrating. i fear more the american people thinking that killing bin laden ends it all. we have a long road to climb before this one is over. host: a crowd gathered outside the white house last night after hearing that osama bin laden had been killed. seattle, washington. caller: i think a former operative was killed. i think 9/11 was an inside job. look at the 9/11 timeline 3 it is online. that is what i think. i think -- host: that is your opinion. we have got some phone calls

about it this morning. guest: osama bin laden and al qaeda attacked us on 9/11 because we fail to calm in 1998 and 1999. the idea that the cia and the u.s. government would attack their own people is a ludicrous idea. that is held tightly by a number of people. host: patricia from tennessee. caller: i wanted to say thank you. i have the most respect for anyone who serves our country. thank you for the future -- for the freedom. hold your heads high. give thanks to all the men and women. if ec summit in a uniform or sticker, shake their hands and say thank you. without them, we would not be able to voice our opinion -- if you see someone in a uniform or

sticker, shake their hands and say thank you. guest: i think that is a good sentiment. the people who serve us to deserve our thanks to this. they are understaffed, under resource, and they have done a remarkable work. host: reaction from the associated press wire. speak to the relationship osama bin laden that with saudi arabia. guest: as in most things in saudi arabia, things are opaque. there are members of his family that still support him. he was at daggers drawn with the saudis. he they have cracked down on his organization.

they probably should be prepared for violence in their country as a result of osama bin laden being killed. his followers will want to take revenge not only against -- against u.s. and foreign presence on the arabian peninsula. host: is that separate from the protest we are seeing in these countries in the middle east? guest: it will be separate in saudi arabia. most process or local. in saudi arabia, the government is not like very much. -- most protests are local. one of the thing that make u saddamn-islamic -- one of th-- what impact you think this will have on the situation

in libya? providinglibya, we're air support for people who osama bin laden fought bin against the soviets. that is a mixed situation. in egypt, we see the islamists have a desire to gain power there. his death will be applauded by many to satisfy the west. the cyrillic or quietly, people will regret his -- but secretly or quietly, people will regret his passing. host: this is the news out of the middle east. "libyans attacked indices this morning." this is from "the baltimore sun." they refuse to sign a deal to step aside. you have syria it carries out

mass arrests of protest. donald in massachusetts, your next -- you are next. caller: the right wing extremists are still fighting the war and will not give credit to president obama. after all, he is a black man. guest: i think that is nonsense. president obama deserves credit for killing osama bin laden. he tried to tear down guantanamo. this has provided a very valuable intelligence to help facilitate bin laden's killing. i don't think it has anything to do with obama being a black. host: what about the role of pakistan?

guest: i did not have any questions. they have interests that are different from ours. the best thing about killing osama bin laden is that we have depended on others to do our dirty work. the pakistani were never going to do wit. we stepped up and did and that is a good sign. if we're going to win this world, we're going to left to do it ourselves. there will not be a proxy who steps in and does it. host: what does this mean for intelligence? guest: i think we will continue to collect intelligence. their interests are different than ours. they are fighting a civil war in their own country, pakistan, whic